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# **Dr. Leland Jensen and the second International Baha'i Council Appear on Michael Moore's TV Nation**
##### *NBC*, Tuesday, August 16, 1994.
#### **Louis Theroux, Reporter**
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*The segment starts at the 7:32 minute mark and runs to the end of the clip at 10:12 minutes.*
Dr. Leland Jensen is interviewed by reporter Louis Theroux in the living room of his home at 4117 Colonial Lane, Missoula Montana.
Some of the members of the second International Baha'i Council appear on camera outside starting at the 7:50 minute mark; left to right, Neal Chase, Wind Jensen, Annie Rubens, Jerome Hellman, Carlotta Geesen, Victor Woods, Deb Holland, and Joy York. Some of the members can also be seen in the background while Dr. Jensen is being interviewed.
Neal Chase on camera speaking begins at the 8:25 minute mark. He is the only member of the sIBC speaking in the segment.
The segment was most likely recorded in early March 1994 — based on dates mentioned in the interview — five months before it was aired.
*The clip runs 2 minutes and 39 seconds.*
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**Transcript**
**Louis Theroux:** (voice over) For those who can't wait until 2001 a millennial group in Missoula Montana expects the end much sooner and they have reason to know.
**Dr. Leland Jensen:** I am sent by God with a mandate direct from God. I am the second coming of Jesus the High Priest.
**Louis Theroux:** (voice over) Like his forebear Jensen has twelve Apostles after the apocalypse these people expect to be governing the world.
If you've got nine of them does that does that constitute a quorum?
**Dr. Leland Jensen:** This isn't all of them, they all couldn't make it today.
**Louis Theroux:** (voice over) Being well connected Jensen can get fairly specific with his predictions.
**Dr. Leland Jensen:** By the time that this is put on the air, whatever, this will have already happened.
**Louis Theroux:** What's number one?
**Dr. Leland Jensen:** Atomic war.
**Louis Theroux:** Atomic war.
**Dr. Leland Jensen:** In which a third of the people will be dead in one hour.
**Louis Theroux:** Third dead in one hour.
**Dr. Leland Jensen:** The destruction of New York City is only about four, five days away. First bombs will come from Saddam Hussein.
**Louis Theroux:** Are you sure?
**Neal Chase:** Three hundred and ninety days from the bombing of the Trade Towers in New York, according to the fourth chapter of Ezekiel, will be the full scale destruction of New York City.
**Louis Theroux:** That's unbelievable.
**Dr. Leland Jensen:** This will be followed by a meteor hitting the Earth, and then we will have the great earthquake, and the fourth wave of destruction will be Earth shifting crust. Where we are sitting here will slide from 2,000 to 3,000 miles southward. We'll be down where Mexico is.
**Louis Theroux:** Will we get a Mexican climate?
**Dr. Leland Jensen:** Of course. We'll grow bananas in our backyard.
**Louis Theroux:** Really?
**Dr. Leland Jensen:** Ya, I've already got the place where I'm going to grow mine. In the back part there, where I don't have raspberries, I'm going to have banana trees. There'll be new fauna and flora, there will be new animals, fish coming out of the sea becoming animals. It will be the Kingdom of God as it is in Heaven. There will be Heaven on Earth in other words.
**Louis Theroux:** Would beasts be suitable for petting?
**Dr. Leland Jensen:** Yes, of course.
**Louis Theroux:** If it happened that I and the crew were still staying at the Red Line Inn in Missoula when, when it happens, would we be allowed into the shelters?
**Dr. Leland Jensen:** Yes, of course, a lot of places out of New York where the people can go when New York is bombed.
**Louis Theroux:** (voice over) At the time of taping the world had not yet ended. But when I called Dr Jensen's group on the day New York was supposed to be bombed they didn't seem discouraged.
(Calling from a pay phone on a New York street wearing a World War I helmet.)
Hey Neal, it's Louie, how are you doing?
**Neal Chase:** (phone voice) Where are you calling from Louis?
**Louis Theroux:** From New York, I just wanted to check in with you, it doesn't seem to be a whole lot going on so I just wanted to double check.
**Neal Chase:** (phone voice) Yes?
**Louis Theroux:** You know, about the the bomb and so forth. I've been looking for the waves of Destruction and … and I can't seem to find any of them.
**Neal Chase:** (phone voice) Ya, well I've been waiting seven years that I've been in the faith and you've only been waiting a few days. You can wait a little longer.
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**Sources**
TV Nation, season 1, episode 5, "Millennialists" segment. NBC Television, Tuesday, August 16, 1994. Produced by Michael Moore.
Unofficial recording posted to YouTube by user koalafrog, July 14, 2007. Accessed May 18, 2026. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9TS8Q77Tp0
**Archivist's notes:**
The full episode runs approximately 46 minutes. This clip preserves only the "Millennialists" segment, within which Dr. Jensen's interview runs approximately 2 minutes and 39 seconds. The clip ends abruptly at 10:11; this is presumed to represent the complete segment as broadcast. An additional source is noted below. View count at time of access: 32,125.
A better quality video can be found [here](https://youtu.be/Cxa0fpxpOAw?si=WwXA91Y9Jw7R-GZI&t=993) but was blocked from web page embedding so it was not used for this entry.
**Also**
- *TV Nation*, NBC, August 16, 1994 8:00 PM, Paley Center for Media. Accessed May 18, 2026 at: https://www.paleycenter.org/collection/item?q=first&p=481&item=T:37012
**Note:** This video appearance is frequently cited in discussions of Dr. Leland Jensen and is provided here as supplementary reference material for researchers, teachers, and students. This limited reproduction is presented for educational and scholarly purposes under fair use (17 U.S.C. § 107).
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